To All Stealth members.

On Sunday 3 May 2009 due to safety concerns and the presence of persons in fatigues publicly carrying unmarked firearms, the local community at Lower Bato, Longlong found it necessary to seek the assistance of their local police post to put an end to your illegal airsoft game at the "Fortess".

During the course of questioning by our local police officer, it became apparent that not only did you not have the formal written permission of the registered landowner to use his property for your activities, but you had not obtained permission from the La Trinidad Chief of Police. That permission would be dependent on our community first being consulted and giving its consent. No such consent was ever requested from us, and would have been refused on safety grounds.

Furthermore, you had not informed our local police post that you were in our area and carrying firearms, nor did you show demonstrate to our police post that you had valid firearms permits or permits to carry. We would have expected you to have provided the names of all your participants and the registration numbers of the firearms they were carrying to our local police post so that in the event of anyone in our community being shot, we would be able to quickly ascertain the culprit through balistics checking of your firearms.

Rather than ask our local police officer to check all your permits etc and file appropriate charges, we instead asked you to leave and not return as we do not want your firearms endangering our safety when using the adjacent community road. In simple terms, you are not from our area, please take your guns elsewhere, for example, your own neighborhood.

To make matters worse, some of your participants were openly carrying firearms - please be reminded that your firearms should be kept in cases outside properly registered and approved gamesites.

Somewhat foolishly none of the observed firearms were correctly marked with red or orange paint on the ends of their muzzles. Unmarked firearms and fatigues - maybe someone would think you are NPA? You may count yourselves very very lucky that we chose to use our local police post to deal with the matter rather than the relative of one of our community members who heads a PNP anti-terrorist unit! These guys do not mess around - remember that an unmarked firearm is a real firearm as far as they are concerned - they do not ask questions first, instead they shoot!

What you all seem to have forgotten is that you are firing your firearms next to our community road which is used by many of us during the daytime, especially on weekends and during the present school holidays. Thus you are putting our lives and health at risk. This is not acceptable. There are also between fifty and a hundred children living in the immediate vicinity of where you fire your guns - they often play around the area that you are illegally using and could easily be hit by one of your pellets. Remember that children are inquisitive and will not realize that you are firing dangerous pellets that could blind or kill them. The pellets that you fire are capable of blinding one of us, and in the worst case scenario a pellet could enter the brain through the eye socket and kill one of us.

Quite frankly you are acting in a very immature and irresponsible manner and without even bothering to speak with us local residents regarding safety issues.

As you are seemingly illegally trespassing on property that none of you own and without having obtained the written permission of the registered land owner (forget any caretaker nonsense - if the guy does not have notarized authority to let you use firearms on the registered owners land, you should not be there!) we suggest that you do not return to our area with your firearms as if you do we will ask our local police post to check all your paperwork, firearms, permits, etc, and file charges as appropriate.

Thank you for your cooperation on this SAFETY matter.

toxic avenger before posting please introduce yourself before posting things here, that is one of the rules in this forum simple rule u cant follow....

and in the first place we were playing there since last last summer(2008) my question is why only now you question us? why not when we started to play there? and does that alien represents ur whole neighborhood is he ur barangay captain? that he does not even honor our permission to play there from your barangay hall? long long is still a part of puguis and we've also asked permission from ur out post only that the police there were new now but before yeah we did ask permission... why say nonsense if we also ask permission from the caretaker don't u know the jobs of a caretaker? it is he who is in charge if the owner is not there?

we admit that they were shooting elsewhere but did they shoot at someone? no absolutely because we follow rules when we shoot..

about the carrying guns without cases and red orange color in the nozzle we do admit that we were wrong.

what report us to a anti terrorist? for what mind you mam, we are not terrorist and since when playing airsoft makes u a terrorist?

btw this is just my own opinion i do not carry the name of the group..

uu nga e bat ngayon lang sila nag react eh matagal na kaming nag lalaro dyan

very well said sir abis...

very well said brothers from SITEL, thanks for the back up ur givin to us.. and to those words uttered by this person they were all answered.. thanks thanks guys...

hmmmmm smellssss fishy around hir??????

the name who make this thread is ______________ ????

y the name indicated is toxic avanger???


hmmmm?????

sino koi koi si toxic avenger hehehe

hmmmm??????? la kasi ako idea ehhhhh........

".....Sour-graping for Hatton's loss?. ..Hehehehe!"

To my Homies,we're in full support guys!!

To Toxic Avenger : Don't forget to remind SWAT / PNP(SAF,Anti-Terrorist Group) to bring their AEG's when you call them...We miss playing with those guys... !

Fact 1 - you turned up in our area to in combat fatigues to discharge firearms without telling us who you are, or asking us if we minded or consulting with us on safety issues. You did not even contact the local polce officer! So what is this bullshit about telling you who we are if we want to post messages on your forum when you cannot be bothered to tell us who you ar?. How else do we let you know that you are acting illegally and unsafely! Maybe we should follow your bad example and just turn up on your doorstep and start discharging unmarked firearms too without thinking about your safety or your families! Remember guys, you wear protective goggles etc - we do not!

Fact 2 - a person who claims to be a caretaker is nothing of the kind if he is acting without the legally recognized authority of the registered landowner. Falsely claiming to be a caretaker would be a criminal offense. The people participating on 3 May did not even know the name of the registered landowner! Have you actually spoken to the registered landowner to find out if this so-called caretaker really has the owner's legally valid written authority? If you have not then we suggest you ignore the caretaker and speak directly to the actual landowner before you risk getting yourselves into bigger trouble. As any judge will tell you, and we know a few, a caretaker who does not have valid legal permission of the registered landowner cannot give you guys any permission of any kind at all, and you guts will be left up the creek without a paddle.

Fact 3- do you seriously think that the registered landowner wants to become legally responsible for the consequences of any shooting accident originating from inside his property? We think not. Remember, your stray pellets could potentially kill a person walking along the adjacent community road. If he permits you to carry out such dangerous acts, he becomes equally liable under civil law.

Fact 4 - nobody can legitimately claim to be a caretaker or grant permission to you to use that land for discharging of firearms unless that person has first been granted legal authority to do so through a notarized special power of attorney to act on behalf of the landowner. Have you seen any such power of attorney? If not, then ignore the caretaker before he gets you into trouble. Grow up and recognize that legal reality and your obligations to act in a responsible manner. Please remember that your club license can be withdrawn if you act irresponsibly and your website forum comments somewhat foolishly indicate a serious failure to reconize basic safety matters. As for the Sitel comments, perhaps the writers should remember that their employer may not be very impressed with irresponsilble behavior that gives Sitel a bad name. It is one very good way to lose your job!

Fact 5 - Unless the registered landowner himself identifies in writing that he is permitting you to use his land for the discharge of firearms, no Chief of Police is gong to give his permission for you to use the registered landowner's land to discharge your firearms - it is more than his job is worth. He would be foolish to rely on the verbal advice of a claimed but unproven caretaker.You did not have any written permission from the Chief of Police that you were able to show to anyone, including our local police officer!

Fact 6 - no barangay offical has the legal authority to give you permission to discharge firearms - please tell us who you claim gave you this illegal permission so that they can be reported to the DILG. You all should know that if you are familiar, as you should be, with the rules and regulations on the use of your firearms! Also, go and read your local government code so that you know the limitations of what a barangay official can or cannot do. By the way, your participants were unable to tell our local police officer the name of the barangay official when asked.

Fact 7 - no barangay official can grant you permission to use private land (especially for discharging firearms).

Fact 8 - no barangay officIal can legally grant you permission without first properly and directly consulting all local residents - this has not happened! As the proximity of the community road is a genuine and serious safety concern , no barangay official in his right mind would be foolish to even think of irresponsibly giving permission.

Fact 9 - judging by the irresponsible comments posted by some of your forum members, it would have been better to have had you fully checked out for permits etc on 3 May 2009 and charged for carrying unmarked firearms and lack of permits. In that way you would have learnt a lesson instead of you writing irrelevant irresponsible comments on your forum.

Fact 10 - you claim you have permissions from various people - if so then scan those formal written permissions and upload them to this website for all to see and so that the relevant government officials can be questioned on why they have permitted firearms to be discharged unsafely next to a publicly used community road. If you don't upload those public documents then your forum comments are all hot air and you were acting illegally on 3 May.

We do not want irresponsinle people discharging firearms in our area and next to a publicly used community road. Find somewhere safer to play in your own neighborhood and with proper and valid permissions from the registered landowner and Chief of Police.

toxic avenger. please introduce yourself first. We cannot properly answer some of ur questions because u tend not to introduce yourself how are we going to properly address you with your questions and AHEM DEMANDS.

maka awawat ka met cguro. thanks...

look guys this is a irresponsible smiley